Thanks everyone .... Lyne, the body morphs are used but they don't necessarily have to be but I think they really help to get rid of that Michael look ... Here is one shot with a morph and texture on the Freak .. some of the head morphs work perfectly but the no ear ones don't work as well with the Freaks different head shape .. I think if you dial the Micahel 3 morph on him it would work pretty well. I will have to see what I can do to show the textures on V3. I will try to do it at lunch time but I don't think I will get a chance until later tonight. Again, thanks all