God its wonderful to have a soundingboard like this. My low-polygon modeling gamer friends rip the flaws so much lol. Some info and Questions: 1. great discovery with metaballs! I have to work with them more! I created a PATH and created a ball at beginning, multi replicated it alot and positioned for snakes body and head on first frame and linked all metaballs to first one. Them when I slid it down path VIOLA! a snake! Using this technique I can make it climb on roks, up trees etc. Try it! 2.Using the face lab in Poser and creating the texture maps for them with photos has paid off rather well so far-still learning. Actually most of my questions are Poser related....like how to retime things...mostly noobish stuff. One thing tho...I have outgrown my hardware. and no renderfarms out there for Byce or Poser so Im stuck with my 1.7 GhZ cpu till I can afford a RENDER monster puter....any ideas on the perfect Rig for animation renderings?? Thanks guys - be well PS - Agent Smith I would LOVE to have something on the Rendrosity DVD...I'll try to clean up my work and make it better.