MachineClaw if it keeps ynsaen happy and out of trouble I don't see any problem in gathering this info, and ynsaen is such a good girl too. 8P grin I should have also told you ynsaen that I've still got P2 that I got from a cover disk years ago, although I've hardly used it 'cos I swore that with the trouble it gave me when trying to use it I'd never use Poser again, HA! how wrong I was. lol 8) Cris_Palomino I for one would be very pleased if you added P5 mats in future versions of your products, but in saying that I think you'll make me poor again. lol 8) And on another note I use P5 with Bryce, mainly doing my renders in Bryce, which is why I think the Turbo plug-in from DAZ is a wiz idea. 8) Catlin