Well thank you for painting our forum and Renderosity in general in such a bad light. We may not have been willing to give you money for something we can all create ourselves with a little bit of patience, but we probably would have looked at whatever else you developed along the road with your programming skills, and perhaps even made a purchase. I'm so sorry you feel you were so badly done by here, when all I can see are questions, suggestions, and pointers to what has been done already. Nowhere do I see people with pitchforks and flaming torches trying to slay you for suggesting an improvement for Bryce. All those folk who I've read tonight, saying what a cold hearted bunch we are, cannot have been in here at the Bryce forum lately, perhaps they're talking about the Poser forum, but I certainly don't believe that they or you have the right idea about who we all are. This was the first thread I read when I came in here tonight 'cos I thought you would have more images or whatever to show us, but I am now feeling totally dissappointed by what I have read. Catlin