I know these are fight'n word but here it goes anyway... I love flames but I am sick of them. They are now boring. They all look the same. Even the good ones look the same. Hundreds of people are building the same image over and over again. There is very little artistry in them. A monkey could build a flame. It's just a matter of knowing when to stop pushing the randomize button to save the image and render it. Flames should be considered basic elements in a composition, like circles and lines are in a drawing. You can only draw so many drawings with nothing but single lines or circles before they get very not interesting. Apophysis should be the first step, followed by UF or a photo editing program with layering. I'll take a good spiral over a single flame any day, but I do love flames. I have hundreds of them on my hard drive.