chohole, LOL I'm gonna have to try out Sara - I've been spending waaaay too much time looking stuff up on the net lately . . . and it might give me an opportunity to try out some of that Photoshop texturing stuff I just learned how to do . . . as for UV maps! gotta love 'em. More limited than posette? As I recall posette had a problem with the neck which I was going to play with a couple of years back, but never got a "round tuit". I hope Sara will be better in that regard. Anyrate I'll try to give Sara a try soon, - TJ