I've exchanged a few emails with Larry and while I don't claim to be an expert on the subject, I don't think PP was something finished they've been sitting on for the past year. PP represents another generation of features to enhance 4. 5 is a future release which will presumably integrate at least some of PP but should be considered a separate version, not just 4+PP. For two hundred fifty dollars, IMHO, no one has the right to bitch about the quality of Posette and Poserguy, which are articulated down to the finger joints. Maxim magazine routinely uses Posette (and rather creatively this month, I might add), Ananova is based off the same mesh, and the morphs we've created are remarkable. True, the faces could have included the kinds of morphs we've developed for a more realistic appearance. Deadlines probably didn't permit it. Zygote has every right to charge extra for the labor they put into Vicky and Michael, and the charges are roughly 30% lower than what similar meshes for other programs cost. Don't bash them for not giving away more than they already have.