Thank you all for your tips and ideas. I really do appreciate it alot. I also didn't realize poser 5 could carry runtimes for individuals like vicky and mike folders, wow wouldn't that be a great help. I do lose my free stuff lol especially when my pose files only go to 250!! lmao Bobbie Boucher, just had to say your name gives me a kick :) makes me want to ask you for a game of fuuzball! rof