BAM--a good compromise for this would be WarriorDL's composite figures, Pollyette and Bobby--Vicky and Michael heads on P4 bods. You can then morph the heck out of the heads to get wonderful faces and still use all the P4 clothing. Vicky's clothes do have lots of transparency possibilities built right into the clothing to cover the shorts, polo, shorts, TN and leotards. You could use a transmap on the halter dress (think it is Steve Shanks on Poser world) to use the halter top part. The rest can be done pretty much with textures. Now, for Michael--there are cargo shorts available (that was a freebie from Zygote). You can also use transmaps to make shorts from pants. I haven't looked into the other possibilities for him. Since he's so new, there are less things made for him by others. I think this will be forthcoming soon. For Vicky, though, her clothes pak is very versatile. I can't tell if you have the clothes pak or not from your post--think so. Have you tried making the different parts from her clothing transparent--you have to go to the material area, click on that area (like forearms in the dress, etc) then use the sliders to make them 100% transparent. For instance, in the dress, you can make everything transparent except for the Tshirt (forget what they call it). You can do the same for the pants--you will get long, capris and shorts--and I did a transmap for very short shorts at one time. In both the dress and skirts, you can make them long or short with morph dials already there. The key is transmaps and textures. I'm thinking that the P4 clothes will never be made available for Vicky or Michael because the geometry is so different. I'm no modeler at all, but just in reading what all the modelers have said in other forums, my thoughts are that this won't happen--thus the composite figures to use the old clothes. If you aren't using nudes (thus not as concerned about elbows and knees), this should work great--has for me and some others and give you lots of diversity for your 'team'. I had to reread your above post--understand where you are coming from. This may work really well. You dl the Pollyette and Bobby and then use Morph Manager to move all the Vicky and Michael morphs to the heads and go from there. BTW, if I can find an early post where I did a set of textures for Vicky clothes and used the transparency sliders for various parts, I'll post it. Nothing great, but you'll see what I mean. Good luck. DianeB