A render I'd like to do at the moment came up with a time of 8:15:26:04, yes that's right eight days and then some more, and the only thing it is trying to do is a lot of transparency on some DAZ hair. My system, Athlon 3GHz CPU, 1Gb ddr ram, and 2x120Gb hard drives. The sooner DAZ can get out the faster render engine the better. 8) Catlin