Harmen, you are flat out wrong about me using Bryce. I don't use anything but UF and maybe a brightness and contrast or sharpen in Photoshop. I just bought a copy of Bryce 2 days ago. Go look at the thread that I started in the Bryce forum. I am only beginning to learn how to use it, but after using it a little I did realize how out of line I would be to post a Byrce image in the fractal gallery, even if it is full of flames. That's what prompted this thread. Plus you are really missing the point. We are inbreading and creating monsters with our comments. We are telling ourselves that garbage is great. Can't you see what a disservice that is? From what I can see that doesn't happen in the Bryce gallery. I speak from experience. I am addicted to comments. I am more inclined to put my images in the fractal gallery because I know I'll get a string of comments. But on more than one occasion, I have been naked and still told how great my clothes are.