I'm really sorry if anyone thought I was putting down C4D's interface... I wasn't. I was just commenting that for myself it didn't click. I like Carrara because it's what I'm used to but I can see what others that have a different background can find it very difficult to use. I LIKE 3D graphic, no matter what the program and find that I can learn from all of the programs, I read each forum (on several sites). I own books covering the spectrum of programs that I will, almost certainly never own, but I have learned things from all of them. I hate the idea that one program is better than another, I'd like to think it's more a matter of an artist learning to use the tools at his/her disposal to the very best effect. It's a VERY GOOD THING to point out the good things about Carrara, the more sales that can be generated, the more support we shuld see, but why do it by putting sown another program and, possibly, alienating a source of information and visual pleasure? Stupid as it sounds "Can't we all just get along?" mike