I don't see that any flame, non-flame or whatever is obsolete. I agree that spirals, flames etc ad infinitum generated just by hitting the random button (art by dice) can become boring. But aren't these programs only tools, like a brush for a painter,clay for scultor etc? I generally start with a flame, take it as far as I can go, then transfer it to a different program, maybe a third or forth till I get what I like. Although started as a flame, the final result may be totally unrecognizable as a flame.After all, the final work should be what you want it to be,not what the computer wants it to be.