Hmm, been away, so only just spotted this thread.... "When is a fractal image not a fractal image?" Interesting question, and it's clear from previous posts that there are a variety of views on this. My personal opinion is that if the image is primarily fractal based, then it may go in the fractal gallery - although if it also calls heavily upon other software (as some of my own images have) then it may also go in the relevant gallery for that. Again, speaking personally, I think that the current trend towards incorporating fractal images into a combined finished item is a positive thing. Art is not a static thing - if it were we would still be using vegetable dyes on the walls of caves!! Anything that is moving the genre forward is, to me, beneficial. Not everybody will like all of the results, but isn't that true of life generally? Some of the images being posted now demonstrate great originality and creativity, together with a significant amount of skill with the software. And many of them don't. I'm sure that I'm not the only one here who has looked at a thumbnail, thought "Ho hum, another Apo spiral" and moved on. For me, creativity is an integral part of art, and pushing the boundaries of what is possible is a part of that, and is to be encouraged, not closed down. Bernie aka Lord Wexford