There is a free model of real producer that will take avi files and convert them. Try the Real.com site they will be glad to pop all kinds of useless stuff at you trying to mke money, but if yyou lok close the links to the free stuff is there.If failing that email me at ffnelson@earthlink.net and I will send you a copy of the version that they gave me a while ago. (I am not giving a crack or anything like that) this is the packaged for the web install they realeased a while back of real producer.