{so any queries about its voracity should be pointed in that direction.} Nope. Queries about it's VERACITY should be directed to Jack. Its chef should get all queries about it's VORACITY... { Jack said that although he had originally claimed he wouldn't ever sell the database, he subsequently thought that selling it to Zygote and Curious Labs was in the best interests of the community. } The way I read it, Jack found out that the database WAS being sold, and demanded either they don't do that OR give him a cut for it. If I understand what happened EdgeNet balked at first, then raised the price, probably to give him his cut; Zygote/CL saw the new price and essentially said "F that..." I COULD be wrong, but that's how it looked to me. {Jack D. Kammerer, the Poser community opportunist, rides out. } Excuse me, but how many in this communite are NOT opportunists? It's being opportunistic to haunt the forums looking or waiting for props, textures, etc. that you need or want to surface. It's opportunistic to post on topics you view are relevant. It's opportunistic to create, maintain and administer a website that could possibly bring in a cash-flow. EdgeNet is opportunistic. Dark Souls, Inc. is opportunistic. 90+% of the people who post here are opportunistic. Let he who is without sin cast the first verbal stone.