Yeah... apparently I do... lol. Wow, this is great news though. I can't even begin to imagine what we will be able to do. *thinks evil thoughts* Any news about expanding the maximum metaball capacity? or minimizing metaball memory usage? Anyway, here's a redo... This was done differently. blurry transitions and 4 layers of the same model (at slightly smaller sizes made up the effect. Each had 100% blurry transitions and 100% blurry reflections. only two lights were used in the scene (woot). And the render only took 1 hour. So better.. but not suitable for every situation. Now I just have to find a way to do it without using multiple instances of the model. This will still work for a candle etc.