OK, just read this thread a few times and read the one over at Epilogue. After also reading the TOS and checking their galleries I have to say I see their point. (dodging a barrage of Daz tomatoes and Maya Dolls) And I see the point of the people posting in this thread too. (Hoping you take the time to see where I'm going) Check out kusanagi73 first post. The same snobbery goes on over here. And now we're putting down what snobs the Epiloguers are. And there's Plenty of snobbery in the Big production houses, and they too have some good reasons, sometimes. How often here have we said or heard someone say, "This image done completely in Poser/LW/Bryce with no Post work." Said with pride because we Do know how hard that can be to accomplish. But many times I think, "So what?" There it is, a picture representing hours of dedication with intricate models, detailed textures and a dynamic composition with all the warmth and emotion of ancient slag. It seems a very prevelent predjudice in certain forums here that "painting" is cheating. And at times, they are right too. I would like to see a trend here where those predjudices are seen for their true worthlessness and we get past these petty media wars.