paulwillocks: "then it is art, no matter what the image or whatever looks like. " I agree, and then after that everyone gets to discuss did it achieve it's goal or not. Did it achieve but could have been better, on and on. That's a system that works. The opportunity that's being missed, as I see it, is not that we join in a circle and chant python scripts till we drown out the voice of becca cox and the Evil Epilguers. I say, "Let 'em in!" Listen to what they're saying. Shutting them out and putting them down shows fear that they could be right. I took a look at their galleries, there's some great stuff over there that would be hard to paint and would really be hard to do in Poser_LW_Bryce. AND, they have there own versions of Vicki with a sword in front of a temple with a cyborg seagull standing on a futuristic pier in front of an alien sunset. If you've ever thought lately how the world is going to survive Al Queda and George Bush and becca cox, well, I don't think the answer is let's hate becca cox and all of her kind. I'm trying to say this without double rainbows appearing over my head. We, Renderosity people, have got to get over this us and them mentality. If you can do it here maybe it will seep into other parts of life. My brain is screaming for me not to send this but ****k_it. I do mean it.