Thanks DaSerialMole, these are still quick FPrime renders... I'm sure that Poser's smoothing angle is going to ballon the hell out of the detail and I'll have to use Moe's trick on snipping the polys to get it back - we'll see. Can't wait to see what you do with the shields. I've been thinking of a similar gradient trick on specularity and glossiness on a more angular piece of geometry that would work for the Borg personal sheilds.