Hmmm.... How difficult would it be to peel the GUI off of the Poser renderer and tack on a TCP/IP interface, like Vue has for their RenderCow? Even if it is limited to 3-5 nodes, that would be a godsend for animators and those who want to push the envelope with the shaders. If CL wants to test it, I have a 4 box rendergarden willing to play guenie pig.... ;) Seriously, such an addition would allow them to turn on all or next to all of the abilities of the Firefly renderer...which includes just about everything people want so far as lighting goes, except for the latest lightmapping concepts.