I hate that Curious Labs asked for our input for Poser 5 and then promptly ignored 90% of it. There is almost nothing about Poser 5 that isn't totally disappointing. Face room, Hair room...(Rooms, by the way? Really?) And that goddamned firefly render. Let me ask you this...What in the hell good is a new renderer if you don't have new lights to go with it? If there is a new way to handle joints, then by god it should've been worked into Poser 5. Joints are the toll of the bell on any render. What good is a model if it can't bend properly? Shoulders still balloon and butts blow up. Poser development should be focused on making what it already does work better. That is how it went from 1-4. It should not be about adding new features, not until the old ones work or are replaced. Crappy additions like the face room and Don and Judy should be stuff you can add-on ala plugins. That is what I hate about Poser, it is a strong contempt for a company that seems to feel greater contempt for it's customer base. -WTB