Kept quiet??? Since when has ANYBODY here kept quiet when they're working on something. When people are working on stuff to help out the general good of everyone, like that one grayscale converter thing, or bryceman, they would post TONS of wips and announcements, and that was always fine. True, he did come to us before he had anything to show, but he didn't want our comments on the product, he wanted to know, kinda theoretically, how much we would pay for a renderer like that. People said they wanted sample images, and he gave them(after a little while) sample images! I dunno. I guess I'm just kinda playin the devils advocate....I wonder if that comes with a good health care plan?