ok I found them at daz......22hrs with a 2.6 gighert compy!!!!, that seems excesive to me.I have stumbled upon very,very similar results in the past few days(sparked by tests from a thread by Drac).But my renders are near 2 or 3 hours on a 300 Mhz compy.All it is is a mixture of ambiace setting in the material and sky lab.Then true ambiance,and blurry transmissions is turned on.Simply max out raytraces and ray depth and its smooth and "real looking" like his pics are.Take the settings down,and it gets grainy, but light still shadows the same.I'll do a few tests,we'll compare.

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