I have Max 3 and only just so I could load my fantastic De Espona collection, (which is MAX only) and export them into Poser, Vue, etc. And, I've played around with the P4-PP import plug-in between MAX and Pro-Pack. But my biggest gripe about MAX is that for being so EXPENSIVE, and constantly more expensive with every release, you would think that you are paying the BIG BUCKS for something that is intelligently designed to be easy to use- (Big Bucks should equal=Easy to Use) But while I have gradually gotten the hang of MAX, I still think it is one of the mostly BADLY DESIGNED programs ever. You have to hunt through a million menus all over the place to do what you need to do. Seems to me that it could be re-designed to be a lot more "intuitive"- and then worth paying the Big Bucks, etc. That's why I hope people like these guys come along and knock MAX's sox off! And when while Lightwave ever become ONE PROGRAM? That's another stupid software design I think. I'm sure avid Lightwavers have it figured out, but switching between two programs isn't very "intuitive" (I have LW 6.5).