Heya, all I am seeing different, is if I copy the current Dial and paste it to a TE I will get xrot, yrot, zrot. However, if I copy a keyframe I get twist, bend, sideside. I can stay paste this back from teh TE into Poser, either to a new key frame or to the current dial. Does not matter which I paste, the friendly name version copied from the AP or the internal name version copied from the current Dial. So, this is indeed weird because as far as I can tell, copy and paste works fine for me using the AP to TE or the CD to TE. ?????? Hey, that's a first. I actually found something about P5 that works for me - if not for someone else. Nice change of pace, considering P5 normally does not work right for me - which is why I rarely use it. In fact, I generally have Not Nice things to say about it.