len, all you explained above was radiosity. and bryce doesn't have that feature, you can only fake it. so unless you h4x0red the Bryce code, it all comes down to material and light settings. i'm sorry, but you won't get a sympathetic OMG THAT'S SO COOL from me until I see what you're talking about. And you have failed to bring in screenshots of the process itself. as for that image, if that's the result you get with massive rrp, then i'd be afraid to see how it would look like with a normal setting. i'm not trying to be antagonistic, at least not overly so. i just have this innate hatred of bs. Tell us what the hell it's really about, or at least finish it up (forget the 'manual'), and give some real screenshots. Regards, Drac