Well here's a big DOH!! from me, I really shouldn't post things to the gallery when I'm half asleep. It turns out that the image I posted was the original render I did for a test, not the 300dpi version. The thing that pointed me to this fact was what electroglyph said about it being the hair, in the final image I raised the hair a bit 'cos it was too deep in the head. So now I got to wait until tomorrow to edit it 'cos it's refusing to update at the moment. 8) Catlin