Aye, I gotcha now, Twisted! Sometimes, text-basedsarcasm is lost on me. Seriously, though, I like your TA experiments. A few of us, with Ornlu at the top of the list, have done many experiments with True Ambience rendering, thus the small bit of offense when Pumeco first brought up "Pro-Render". If we're using the same techniques, then that would (by his definition) make us all "pros"? Well where's my paycheck!?!?! Off to post my latest TA test render... Keep 'em coming, TwistedBolt...!