Ahhh....Ok. That makes sense for the purpose of the visibillity, but limiting us to using one side of the cloth kind if sucks. I had some neat ideas involving a wort of sari like wrap that I could trick the engine into doing via constrained groups. Ill live though! This software is actually entertaining to learn, and Im pretty sure If I keep up with it I'll be able to post somthing worthy of the gallery.