Thanks, your comments that means a lot. Lighting is something I have thought about, but learning about something that is better before I do the render would be great. But please lead me to something better. I managed to do a GI render of the city alone. That looked better. I'm not sure the excact meaning of washed out. Do you mean it should have been more light? Is it blurred? There is no ambience just a three point. Sun light at 143% with some color, view angle light/key light at 29% with less color and right fill light at 4% with almost no color. I have thought about a "over the shoulder cut" too. I just have to get it out of my system for a while before I try. The PC almost went out the window.