Yah- I was wondering what ever happened to those. It seemed that one day someone deleted almost all the posts at the DAZ Studio forum. It's been a fairly DEAD place ever since. And my Lightwave to DAZ Studio model renders were almost immediately deleted- when a lot of people were at the time asking if it could be done or not. Plus, DAZ seems to have brought development of DAZ Studio to a virtual stand-still- at least if the DAZ Studio forum is any indication. I had a lot of fun with the original DAZ Beta, and even made a $2000 project deal based upon my DAZ Dragon render in DAZ Studio using Stewer's Toon Shader. So, yes, DAZ Studio actually made me money in its initial Beta release. But I guess the important part, that I think some people here have yet to grasp, is WHAT do you do with these renders, and WHO wants to buy them, especially for $2000? Same thing with the GAME stuff- smart people will CONNECT-THE-DOTS and make money with it. The rest will just go back to what they were doing, clueless. Best TIP: Watch that Infomercial on "Make MONEY on E-BAY!" (Of course, you don't need the kit if you already know how).