falconperigot: I don't have Shader Ops yet. I will get the Power Pack as soon as I can afford it. Your bottom image is excellent, good job. I am coming very close to something that looks like your top image, except I applied it to a modified terrain that simulates weave on water. But I am still not entirely pleased with the results. Have you seen Brian Taylor's work. Now that is some very convincing water, and he animates it somehow. I know he is using Carrara or Infini-D, how he dose it is beyond me.

Eagle 2358 I have kind of explored terrain editor some with mixed results. I have also a bit of experience with Bryce and they are kind of similar. You get a bit more control in Bryce but Carraras is OK. I need to get better with the Texture Room and learn more stuff their. So far I am just using Terragen since it is very easy to get impressive results with very little effort. But you don't get the flexibility of having everything in one place.