hmm... well i use artmatic pro to make fractals which i all dissform, edit and transform in several other programs, i aint gonna change to that MM gallery, just because i use other programs than prescribed in the minds of fractal artists ... the main program to make them fractals is a formula generated program, and what you do after with the fractals, thats your own choice ... so whether ya use Poser or a 3D program or other vector oriented program to make your designs look like something of which you have in your mind, the main thing of the whole design is still a fractal otoh i don't like to have my stuff between nekkid 'designs' in MM they cant make you move to another gallery, just because you use other programs to make fractals... if you use another object than a fractal, like a Poser-character or for instance a car made by LightWave or Maya to flourish up your work, then it's called a MM design and should be published there but a car made by Maya used as reference and make all different fractals on it, to perform a 3D designed fractal car, is still a fractal design and can be published in this gallery smile have a good day, Harmen