Right, this is becoming clearer by the hour. In my gallery there are about 10 images, made totaly in Xenodream, a fractalprogram, but by the technique I'm using, containing not one fractal. Is this allowed ? If not, can someone tell me where I should post them? They are not MM by a long stretch of the imagination. Anf if I'm allowed to post non-fractal images made in a fractalprogram, why can't people, who use at least a fractal amongst other elements, post them ? One of these examples is my Alchemy, the secret chamber. I use metamorphs on free holons to create this effect, but as Keith (Deagol) correctly pointed out : "Is there a fractal in there someplace?". The answer is no, but the funny thing is, i could put 10 fractals in it, and nobody would notice any difference to the image... Which brings me to my next point, what if, in a next version of XD, i could transport/transform xepfiles into objfiles, and move them into a 3D application (like Bryce). Would i still be able to do that and post in the fractalgallery. And what if I could in the future bring .objfiles into XD, would that be OK? Would XD then be categorized as a MM program? What if a group of people, who liked tubes, (just as the people from UF liked the idea of layers, of perspective, mapping on spheres, etc...), developed a fractalprogram, where you could also make your own tubes in it, map fractals on those tubes, and layer them? Would that still be considered a real fractalprogram? What I'm trying to say, is that the fractallandscape is evolving fast, and evolution has a nasty habbit of leaving purists behind ... Have a creative day, everyone Dirk