@RHaseltine - let me know how the shawl does for you in P4. When TheMadPainter first came to me with the idea for the shawl, I thought about making it a conforming clothing figure. However, because of the way Poser works with body groups, it was hard to get the shawl to lay right. This lead to my next making morphs to adjust the lay. Which in turn lead to me thinking, hey, this might do better in the P5 cloth room. A few test sold me and I quickly realized that the shawl was beautifully suited as a dynamic clothing item. Very hard to get those results with just morphs alone. Nevertheless, I did not want to leave P4 users out in the cold all together, so I transfered the morphs I had made for the first version over to the dynamic cloth version, and tried it out as a smart prop clothing item in Poser 4. I found I was able to use the shawl with those morphs okay in Poser 4 for a decent range of poses. However, I also know that I am more familiar with using the morphs, since I made them. LOL I think they are pretty straight forward, but if you have any problems using the shawl in P4 let me know. :O) Rob