DAZ archives worked! I thought they had discontinued them, and only gave weekly freebees. Anyway I did not have luck using their normal search engine, I guess it was on a different system or I misspelled. Thanks Karen. So far as making my own from primitives -- well, I am red faced. I still do not know how to texture objects unless someone else has provided a template. I took a look at something called a UV mapper once and at the time at least, it seemed pretty complicted for the beginner that I was then. Maybe I should try again just on general principles. I am sure it would come in handy to have that skill.