Ugh...I'm still the cynic...all i see is Bryce native render effects with tweaking of material settings...which we've ALL been doing since we graduated from mirrored spheres over the ocean... Basically all it sounds like is that this guy has spent a ton of time figuring out exactly what settings produce the best effect...and it seems to me that his comparison renders are the basic Bryce render, WITHOUT any of the comparable render effects turned on... That doesn't sit right with me. Now...I'm fairly certain that most of the people who frequent this forum could sit around for maybe an hour tweaking things, and come up with renders that are equal, if not better, than Pro-Render. Now, i'm also fairly certain that i'm not one of those people...so...yes please.