db, Check with your host, you may not need a counter to get the stats you want. I use Dreamhost and the stats provided in the administration portion of my account are amazing. they are alomost too much info. I can tell you what page was hit from where how often and what browser along with the settings on their machine. I know how many AOL browsers, IE, Netscape and Mozilla. Then I can get a report of how many are running MAC, Win 9x, Win2k, ME and XP, what their resolution is and what their monitor settings are. An example is the Google spider bot hit me 17 times on the first between 1 and 3am. The detail is incredible and I get it all for free! Magick Michael