Yikes People, Expensive stuff for a hobby. A few years ago, I came across a freebie version of AMAPI 4.15 in a magazine that was so easy to use, that even though I have a licenced version of AutoCAD, I use Amapi. A while back, AMAPI 5.15 was also made available for free, along with a html manual. Do a search on the WEB and you'll find either 4.15 or 5.15 and give it a try before you buy. Also check out the AMAPI forum - I think there is a link there to the freebie version. The interface is unique, but very intuitive. Cheers, JoeK