Also, let's not forget that 1- DAZ didn't discover them, they merely made extensive use of them, and 2- DAZ isn't the only ones to use these features. A great manyof these features are employd in clothing for sale outside of DAZ. And it will be outside of DAZ that the new hacks and tricks for P5 are put into use, as well. Since they are developing in house utilizing these established P4-based tricks and using weight maps in other areas for compatibility beyond Poser, they are not going to be developing P5 based objects in house. Poser 5 support at DAZ will come from the Brokered Artists. So Kiera's dead on -- Just as CL isn't required to make sure that these hacks work going forward (and they do their best, they really do), DAZ isn't rquired to support the current generation of software. With the imminent release of Shade (including PoserFusion) and the additional features that will bring, there will be a marked change going forward. Get ready for it. And Grin. None of this is bad for US -- it's scary, and it makes figuring out how to spend your money harder, but to allow yourself to be polarized in any direction will limit you -- at a time when limits are the last thing we want ;)

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)