I see. Thanks for the replies. I checked out vistapro and it seams to be very cheap ( i mean the price ) any reason for that ? It seamed to me the only landscape designer that is capable of making real waves ( not just a flat textured plane ) The point is that after creating I should like to animate the scape ( moving clouds, rolling waves,.... ) How about that in one of these programs ? Thanks for the wings 3D tip I'm gonna check it out right now Me