You could probably get a store to order them in for you if they don't carry them. I know I've seen Cinema 4D in FutureShop, which is the Canadian retail partner of Circuit City. I had to order Poser directly from Curious Labs because I have NEVER seen it in retail stores here. If you're a student, your campus bookstore or computer store should be able to order them for you at a reduced price -- I know I could order Painter8 for less than half it's retail price, and the same with StudioMX.