Ok I said what I did in one huge sweeping blow. I was not trying to dismiss all the wonderful freebie makers and their products. All that happened was I was over enthusiastic in my apreciation of what Kozaburo does for this community and hope that folks will read my previous post with that in mind. I apreciate all the free products that come into the free stuff and would never want to denegrate the folks who make things for us to play with. I hope this statement will ease your resentment of what I said previously xantor. 8) Catlin