Yeah, noticed about the save problem. Also seems to muck about creating rsr/resource files, and then won't let go of them (or access the changed obj,) unless you quit! :) Sheesh, I had about 23 copies of the countinuing revisions to a 2MB obj before I finally decided that was enough. Took me a half an hour just to throw away all the extra copies :) Ah well. Now I have some tempting ideas for utilities to help with this modeling/trying process. :) Bruce