Please don't misunderstand me....I am not "knocking" P5......I am sure it's great and I have seen many, many, great results using it. At the time I purchased it, I suppose my computer was not capable to handle it, or I was not capable to handle the "render" time.....so I did not bother to learn all the new funtions of the program. I didn't like the render speed..........but that was two computers ago....so....maybe.......I will try again soon? I still would like to see the merchants, to support, P4 and ProPack.......because no matter what........that is my preference. I do all my posing there.....and then render it all in Vue4. I guess, it's just a matter of opinion.....or how much money you want to spend on your hobby. (not saying that this your hobby, but it is mine)