"If I can render a scene with 5 DAZ Victoria 3's with Firefly, shadows on, with a high poly set in the background without waiting 30 minutes for it to render and YOU ARE then you haven't done your research and are bitching and complaining about something you don't fuing understand." Ah here we go again, yes, it's the user's fault. Sure. "Poser 5 allows you to create render settings for test and Porfessional renders seperate so speed is no excuse just set it to the non professional part and set the options properly there are tons of sites out there with explinations on what to set it at for speed or quality" Yes but, as I mentioned in my first message, firefly is still dog-slow compared to P4. Speed isn't an excuse; it's just another valid reason to not use Firefly. Plus, as Cresent pointed out, you're not really sure what you're going to get with Firefly. Especially when switching settings.