Uh, Sean? This is Renderosity, sacred home of cookie cutter images Originality is an alien concept Just my cynicism baring it's fangs "Yes but, as I mentioned in my first message, firefly is still dog-slow compared to P4. Speed isn't an excuse; it's just another valid reason to not use Firefly. Plus, as Cresent pointed out, you're not really sure what you're going to get with Firefly. Especially when switching settings" Who in their right mind is going to piss around with an obsolete bargain basement scanline renderer, that uses reflection maps only for gods sake, when they can use a REYES renderer with vertex displacement mapping and raytracing 'Firefly is still dog slow' Tried using other 3d software with displacement and raytracing? Unless you've splashed out on one of the high end jobs and the hardware necessary to run them then you're going to spend a lot of time twiddling your thumbs waiting The problem is too many people want pro results whilst only paying hobbyist prices