Thanks for all the advice here. I got it to where I want it now, too. I did as Jeff suggested and after a bit of experimenting it worked out, and also served to remind me about the usefulness of the grouping tool. That sword was also in need of some new material sections. Bloodsong, yeah, what you said. I needed to get the rotation nearer to the handle, which I finally managed. Funny it didn't start out that way, but who knows. I guess if it was made in a different app, Poser doesn't necessarily "agree" with the setups? Thanks, Mike