Hopefully, this is an indication that the threshold has been hit, and there will be more P5 stuff coming out. While I haven't trod the face room yet, the cloth and hair are starting to make more and more sense, and the =potential= there is amazing...even more so when you consider this is a 'low end' app. What we're lacking, when it comes down to it, is people like Traveller who grok P5. Posette was a disaster, until Trav worked his morphing magic. Vickie wasn't much better. And Trav struck again. Xena and Steffy made their names with textures. Yamato awed us all with the first transmapped hair. P4 took off and flew because of crazed weasels like Ajax and Nerd (among quite a few others), who took bugs and made them features. DAZ support, frankly, isn't that vital. It would be a godsend for us poor P5 users, but people seem to forget that for quite some time, -they- followed =our= lead. The innovation is still out there; look at Ockham's scripts, and what they've allowed others to do. Look at what WierdJuice has created with Metaform (and if they ever figure out a way for it to work with VuePro and P5, watch out world). The people who've staked out the position that hell will freeze over before they touch a Cl product again....well, that's their stance. No one has the corner on innovation. If Vendor X either can't or won't, then move on, find someone looking for a learning challenge...or maybe even become an innovator yourself. Most everyone here is a creator of one sort or another; sometimes all it takes is stating a problem and asking for any solutions. Now, about that point light....